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For the places mentioned in my family history I'm looking to make sure I have the native spelling correct. The problem is that many events' places no longer exist. Some places (like Prussia) are not much of a problem but there are other locations (e.g., Spilleren Farm, Meløy, Norway in 1782) where I don't even know where to begin.

Although I can't be certain 100% (especially as events date further back in history) how do I get reasonable confidence in an ancient location's spelling?

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Circumstance and resources vary from region to region; a general answer could have little benefit to others with similar questions. Might you consider limiting the scope of your question. (While your question is a little different, see the Broome, Lower Canada, question here: genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/1835/… ) –  GeneJ Nov 2 '12 at 17:49
    
I'd never thought of 1782 as ancient... –  ColeValleyGirl Nov 2 '12 at 18:14
    
@ColeValleyGirl Might not ancient be to modern, as old is to new? –  GeneJ Nov 2 '12 at 18:18
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Indeed, Norway created the municipalities in 1838. digplanet.com/wiki/Formannskapsdistrikt All this begs for the reference you have to the place, "Spilleren Farm, Meløy, Norway in 1782." –  GeneJ Nov 2 '12 at 21:26
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It seems that we recognise only two types of family historian. Dolts who accept any rubbish they read online and pedants who reject everything they have not personally extracted from a mouldering tome. There is room for a middle path that acknowledges that Meloy COULD have been in local use a descriptor for the district before it was codified by statute. In that case, the modern district of that name MIGHT be a good place to begin looking for evidence of a Spilleren Farm in 1782. Discarding someone else's assertion out of hand is as illogical as accepting it as gospel truth. –  Fortiter Nov 3 '12 at 13:56

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The best answer to this will vary with geography, but I'll make a few suggestions:

  1. The spelling will almost certainly vary with time and with the language of the person referring to the place, and with the individual making the record. You have to resign yourself to the fact that there isn't a single correct spelling.

  2. I try to refer to old maps or gazetteers to get a contemporaneous 'official' spelling. (Of course this is easier in some places than others.) So I would start by looking for old maps of Norway in your search for Spilleren Farm, Meløy, Norway.

  3. Other contemporaneous documents (e.g. censuses or parish registers) may give you an idea of what was most commonly used. FamilySearch may give you a start on your Norwegian location.

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Spellings didn't use to be standardized, so you can't confirm the "proper" ancient spelling, because there isn't one. If the place still exists then there is a proper modern spelling, and using that in your documentation is usually preferred.

When the place doesn't exist anymore then simply using the most common ancient spelling is OK.

In all cases, if the mapping between the spelling as used in the sources and the modern spelling that is used is non-obvious, using both is recommended. When referencing a source you can often include a quote, so you can enter somebody as born in, say, Wrocław, and note in the source for the reference that the source says "Breslau", for example.

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Until we have a property 'Place Authority' that can help with spelling variations, name changes, names in different languages, boundary changes, local history, etc., you're going to have to rely on your own research.

I would strongly recommend centralising your data for each place (assuming your software supports that concept) so that you only have one entity representing a given place - no matter how many times it is referenced from different events. That simplies maintenance, including any additions or corrections you may have to make to it afterwards.

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Which commercial software makes this kind of thing easy? –  Gene Golovchinsky Nov 2 '12 at 22:29
    
@ACProctor I see from a previous post you assist FHISO. Would this be something they will be looking into in their Standard endevour? –  Edward Nov 3 '12 at 6:12
    
@Edward - Consider asking this as a new question. –  Site Designs Nov 3 '12 at 6:15
    
Are you suggesting that a "Place Authority" is a realistic possibility in the medium term? To say nothing of whether it would be desirable! –  Fortiter Nov 3 '12 at 13:45
    
The principle of a Place Authority is realistic, but the organisational side could be difficult. It should be federated in design to allow respective administrative authorities to control contributions (i.e. not merely a local or commercial project), and there should therefore be a standard interface model that they would each have to implement. Unfortunately, such a resource spans many disciplines outside of family history and so there will be many stakeholders. (cont) –  ACProctor Nov 3 '12 at 17:22

I endorse Tom's suggestion that Google provides a great suite of tools for this. My preferred entry point is Google Earth because I know that the alternatives offered to my first attempt at spelling the name will be places (and not animals or people or song titles; as can happen in plain vanilla search).

For example, entering Mel caused Google Earth to offer me a choice of Meloy (Norway) Melbourne (Australia) and Melaka (Malaysia) immediately (except it knows the correct nordic character to use in place of "o"!).

I became a convert when entering "Gramz" got me both the village (Gramzow) in what was Brandenburg from which my ancestors came, and the street here in Australia named for their old home!

Once you have the current location pinpointed, you have a solid basis for researching previous names or relationships to nation states.

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Google is less useful as you go further back in time or want to know about smaller localities. I have an 1851 census place reference here, for instance, that reads "Chrich, Nottinghamshire". Well, I know of no such place (having been born in that English county), and neither does Google. There are several possibilities, including ones in nearby counties like Derbyshire. This is a prime example of where a Place Authority would help your search by presenting multiple possibilities to you - taking into account name changes, alternative spellings, boundary changes, etc. (cont) –  ACProctor Nov 3 '12 at 17:33
    
It may not find the precise place as-written but that's the point. Enumerators made mistakes - we all know and expect that –  ACProctor Nov 3 '12 at 17:34

I think you are really asking how to verify the location of the event. This is more important than deciding which spelling to use. Scale and accuracy are important considerations.

Historical records identify where an event occured using a place name or description of the location. The place name may be very specific e.g. a house name or street address, but often is more general e.g. a parish, town and can be quite vague e.g county, district. A specific location can usefully be described using geographic co-ordinates to an accuracy of a few metres. Administrative units are better described using a polygon that covers the area of the jurisdiction, so that spurious accuracy is not implied. A gazeteer is essentially an index of labels on a map, which give the label name (e.g. a hamlet, town, region) and the central co-ordinate for the feature, and gives no information on the boundaries of jurisdictions. A critisism of the 'Place Authority' mentioned by A C Proctor is that it does not resolve the limitations of the gazeteer. A better solution would be to map historical jurisdictions. An example of such research is the A vision of Britain website

Current maps, including Google maps, Bing and others can be helpful. Taking the Spilleren Farm, Meløy, Norway (1782) example, I can locate Norway and the island of Meloy. Wikipedia has an article on the modern jurisdiction of Meloy (a municipality) and gives co-ordinates 66°47′17″N 13°40′33″E. So, I am reasonably confident that this is the general area. Finding the location of a farm is more problematic as feature this small are often only named of large scale maps. Names of farms can persist for long periods, so may be included in a local gazeteer or maps. You should not assume that the place name is no longer in use before looking at a map of appropriate scale.

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I have agonized over this exact question myself. In some cases a "place" has changed names 4 or 5 times in the past 200 years, not to mention that there are local language variations and "official" or national names... naming a place often could get out of hand. In addition, these geographic areas are historically and politically unstable, so the name could change in the foreseen future. The short of it all is that in the past couple years I'm concentrating on documenting the coordinates of a place (lat and long) rather then the names. This method will be least impacted by time, and if someone wanted to visit "the place" 500 years from now they most likely would have the technology to do so. Not only that, if I or someone else visit "a place", a GPS can establish the coordinates to the nearest meter! (And I can easily look up the exact place using an online mapping service -- like Google Earth.)

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Until plate tectonics comes along and messes up that whole system... :) –  fbrereto Feb 11 '13 at 21:42
    
I used this approach to identify the places and even temporary air bases at which my father had served in WWII (European theater). –  GeneJ Feb 12 '13 at 5:29

I guess the answer to this depends on the location (country), but you gave Norway as an example here.

In Norway there is actually a register dedicated to the spelling of location names: "Sentralt Stedsnavnregister" ("Centralized Placename Register"). This register is maintained by The Norwegian Mapping Authority and contains 950 000 placenames with a total of 1 112 000 spellings.

Through this register I found information about "Norske Gaardnavne" ("Norwegian Farm Names"), a 19 volume set of books by Oluf Rygh published from 1897 to 1924. This books have been digitalized, and I found that Spilleren Farm in Meløy was spelled Spilderen here (and located in Mælø): http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_soek.prl?s=n&AMT=&start=S%F8k&HERRED=&SOGN=&GNAVN=spilderen&GNR=&LITTREF=&REFORDF=&BIND=&SIDE=&SOEKESTRENG=&med_amt=on&med_herred=on&med_sogn=on&konkordanse_streng=hurtigliste&sort_tfunn=-&sort_amt=1&sort_herred=2&sort_sogn=3&sort_gard=4

I couldn't find Spilderen or Spilleren in "Sentralt Stedsnavnregister", but many related names still exist in Meløy. Like Spilderdalen (Spilder Valley), Spilderdalselva (Spilder Valley River/Creek), Spilderhesten (Spilder Horse?!), Spildervika (Spilder Bay), Spilderbukta (also Spilder Bay) and Spildervatnet (Spilder Lake).

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Ask Google and Wikipedia to be your best friends. I have solved essentially all of my place problems by starting out at Google which nearly always takes me to a Wikipedia article with the information I need. Rarely have I had to resort to foreign language gazetteers or old atlases.

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How many of these Wikipedia articles can be absolutely relied on or have a quoted source. –  Site Designs Nov 3 '12 at 6:14

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