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I am looking for the ship on which the following party traveled from New York to London in Spring or Summer, 1911:

Charles Jay Foster
Minna Cramer Foster
Marie-Louise Foster
Enid Foster
Minna Van Bergen

Ancestry.com and Google are only turning up their return voyage aboard the Kaiser Wilhelm II on 27 Sep 1911.

Where else can I look to find this information?

Edit: Though not part of the same party, the following individuals were on the same ship. Hopefully finding them would lead to finding the others:

Charles Ernest Green
Elizabeth "Dolly" Green
Eldridge Risdon Green


Donald Palmer Jadwin
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Aside from lost and mis-indexed lists, the basic issue with the "UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960" is that it only covers "ships arriving in the United Kingdom from foreign ports outside of Europe and the Mediterranean". So if your family took a tour and went to France first, before hopping on a ferry to Dover, they won't appear in the UK arrivals. –  AdrianB38 Dec 31 '12 at 23:53
    
@AdrianB38 I know some ships would stop at ports prior to their final destination of London. Though they would be on the ship that departed from New York, could it not be in that listing for that reason as well? –  fbrereto Jan 1 '13 at 21:14
    
The "UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960" were created for the UK's Board of Trade to document arrivals in the UK. As such, there was no interest at all in someone who boarded the ship in NY (say) and got off in Cherbourg (say) before the ship carried on to the UK. Such people were out of scope, so would not appear on the lists in question. If you like, the essential point is that these are immigration lists, and not passenger lists. (I guess most "passenger" lists are "immigration" lists.) Does this help to explain the limitations??? –  AdrianB38 Jan 2 '13 at 10:33
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One possible line of inquiry would be to focus on the operators of SS Kaiser Wilhelm II, the Norddeutscher Lloyd line (NDL).

My working assumption would be that in the early 1900s, people able to make regular trans-atlantic voyages had a favourite line (or even a favourite ship) which they used repeatedly.

It is possible that the Fosters et al made the easterly crossing on an NDL ship as well. So by finding when the Kaiser Wilhelm (or the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm, or the SS Kronprinzessin Cecilie) made runs from Hoboken to Bremerhaven in 1911, you will have identified a subset of records to search for.

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You might find them in this Ancestry database: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1518

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