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I am having a difficult time understanding everything and quite frankly am overwhelmed with the thought of the "possible" outcome I am facing.

My parentage as far as my father is concerned is dubious and my mother refuses to help. I have ascertained that the man who I thought was my dad is not through basic blood typing. You see I am AB RHNeg. The man I thought was my father was O positive. According to blood typing it would be impossible for him to be my biological father.

Recently, on my quest to find answers my "aunt" who would be the sister of the man I thought was my dad, wanted to help me out and we both did a DNA test through Ancestry. This would be my second DNA test as I have also tested with FTDNA.

The results from Ancestry are that my "aunt" and I share 1838 centigrams over 67 DNA strands. Ancestry predicts we are close relatives..

She for sure is not my grandparent, it is unlikely she is my 1 cousin, and given the blood typing of the man I thought was my father and who was the only son, she can't be my aunt... so that leaves half sibling.

I have since uploaded both my raw DNA data to GEDmatch. She doesn't know yet that the results are in,as far as I know, I plan to call her very soon...But needed to know if I was on the right track. and if she agrees to uploading her DNA data to DNA Match would that offer definitive proof, or do I have it already?

I am still numb from this information, though totally not shocked. I just need confirmation or direction.

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  • The DNA says she's your aunt. The blood type says "dad" is not your father. The only way both of those things can be true is if she has another brother who is your father, and whose blood type is different from "dad's". – Jamie Cox Nov 30 '17 at 1:15
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Firstly, let's talk about blood. You are totally right that there are possibility for you with AB blood have father with O blood. But I can guess that there is error in determing the blood type, because the human's blood typing is more complex and the AB-system with rhesus is the simplest approximation. Please read very exciting article about the man with the golden blood

Because your mother and the man who stated himself as father don't want to help and don't make the situation clear, I think that there is skeletons in the closet and there is something that worth to be hidden.

Maybe it is the information about your father or something weird that happened in family. It is not the catch.

Let's talk about your aunt. There are two metrics that helps us to guess the relation: it is the total of shared segments (in cM) and the maximum shared segment. The first metric is more important for close relatives (like parents, grandparents, siblings and so on). The second - for the far relatives, because there is strong correlation between the distance to your common ancestor (or, to simplify, how much persons are between you) and the largest segment. Also we must take into account that you may be related with somebody in multiple way (because it was ok to get married with 2nd cousins or more distant relatives and people didn't move much around the globe and preferred to stay in one place). Also there is a lot of graphs showing the relation between the amount of shared DNA and the probable relationship degree. For example,

Taken from 23andMe site

Taken from the great article The Limits of Predicting Relationships Using DNA

All these graphs tells us that there is great overlap between different relationships grade. These graphs are for regular situations when one's parents are not related. Please take all information with the grain of salt. I want to emphasize that amount of shared DNA can vary in wide ranges. Look how groups are overlapping on graphs!!! So nobody can state something for sure without additional information (like tests of other persons, "paper" genealogy clues and so on).

In your case, 1838 cM match perfectly fits in Group B, so it is very probable that your aunt is your real aunt.

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    Please give credit to those whose charts you are using, with a link back to the webpage you got them from. – lkessler Aug 15 '17 at 20:50
  • OK. I added the links. But the graphs can be find on different sites and I really don't know who is their original author – GEORG GAAL Aug 17 '17 at 6:30
  • Thanks for doing that. No one wants their work to be used without being credited. Technically, you should be asking the author for permission to use their work, but most will approve if you credit them and link back. If you don't know the original author because they weren't credited, then you should at least refer back to the site that you got them from - but be wary that this may be copyrighted material of someone else who deserves the credit. – lkessler Aug 17 '17 at 23:26
  • I believe you did link back to the authors of those two charts. 23andMe did create theirs (although the original may be in another document), and Leah Larkin explains how she modified AncestryDNA's chart which she credits (but her link misses the .pdf at the end and should be: ancestry.com/dna/resource/whitePaper/…) – lkessler Aug 17 '17 at 23:47
  • HK Cronk, your 1838 cM match puts your relationship solidly in "Group B" and essentially proves that (barring testing errors). It doesn't establish which relationship in Group B is the correct one. It could be Grandparent, Aunt, Half Sibling, or Double First Cousin. The DNA data can't resolve which is correct (although double first cousin would usually show higher full identical match on GEDMatch). Ages and circumstances of potential parties could help to evaluate the alternative relationships, but may not be able to narrow them down to a particular one. – RobertShaw Aug 18 '17 at 2:06
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I have a situation or two where I'd like to use the graphics above. The most important is finding my father's unknown father. I've taken auDNA test (ftdna.com) and done a gedmatch. Thus I have proof that my paternal gf whose name was not on Dad's birth record in Germany in January 1907 was at least part Ashkenazi Jew. In that era, that fact might have been dangerous for my GM and her new son. So something kept your relatives from stating facts.

Through the auDNA test I found: A family of three who are related to me, a mother with alzheimers, her daughter, and the mother's brother. The mother and her brother have passed now, in their 90s, but I met them all --a great satisfaction to me and to at least one of them. My Dad never knew he had living relatives anywhere. The daughter of that family made an extensive family tree and that gave me some facts, but I cannot connect my dad's line to theirs: there is no KNOWN link. I have intuited that the man (student, hopefully) who impregnated my gm when she was 16 was at least part Jewish. He'd have spoken German, and was probably a resident of either Karlsruhe or Frankfurt, Germany.He's part jewish, not 100%, because my DNA which started at 31% Ashkenazi has been reduced by ftdna to 20%, which was closer to the "norm" (25%) for a grandfather, I think.

I have extensive information from an archivist in Karlsruhe to fill out my father's tree, but I do not have and can't get the missing man's name. I may be able to find more information (but not his name) at Frankfurt's archivist. My gm at 16 lived with her family until her mother and brother died. She went to Frankfurt to give birth. I don't know much more, but the poor scared girl felt she had to escape motherhood and Germany, so she left her child with her maternal grandmother. She called for him 4 yrs later, when she felt "settled."

If you start to piece together your aunt's story through, say, her photo book and really listen to what she says, you might be able to piece together a narrative from her or your long-held "father." But please don't forget to search official records offices and get the details that are solid. Emails are good because they feel safe in writing them, and they can be good sources when you've forgotten something. It's all work, and it takes a good long while.

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