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I suspect that my 2nd great grandfather Robert John Steven Sellers was the uncle named in a newspaper report (Geelong Advertiser, Tue 31 May 1910) about the divorce of his wife's niece Lesley Baylis Cradick (nee Slight):

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I suspect it was him because he is the only one of Lesley's uncles, who I believe all lived interstate or overseas, who is known to have visited Sydney, where Lesley lived, between the time of her marriage in 1906 and the filing for her divorce in 1909. Robert John Steven Sellers lived in Adelaide from 1878 to 1908 but died in Sydney on 18 Jan 1908, 14 days after taking leave from his work and arriving in NSW.

I have always assumed that he was with his wife, Elizabeth (nee Slight), and on holiday, but my late mother always said that "people just did not go from Adelaide to Sydney for a holiday in those days", and she suspected that there had to be a family reason for going". I always assumed that Robert was there with Elizabeth, and that Elizabeth would be the Informant that I found when I eventually ordered his Death Certificate. Yesterday, I received his Death Certificate from a registration on 21 Jan 1908 in Sydney and the Informant was recorded as his son Campbell Sellers (12 Canterbury Road, St Kilda, Melbourne, Victoria).

From a page All About N.S.W. Death Certificates:

The Accuracy of a Death registration depends on the informant. If the informant was not a close family member (and even sometimes when they were!), it is quite possible that the information on the registration may contain incorrect information. The householder of the house in which the deceased died was responsible to register the death.

Robert died in Sydney Hospital on 18 Jan 1908, from cardiac arrest after being treated for 1 day (from the Death Certificate), and our family story is that he dropped dead on the street on a hot day. Since he did not die in a house, is it a reasonable assumption to make that Campbell must have been with him in Sydney?

Lesley's wife beating husband Albert Edward Cradick was a Boer War veteran, and Robert's son Campbell joined the Scottish Volunteers on 31 Jan 1900, so he may have fought in the Boer War too. In any event, I am now entertaining a theory that Robert (from Adelaide) and Campbell (from Melbourne) may have decided to meet up in Sydney to see what was going on in Lesley's marriage.

There are three items in the NSW Archives about this divorce but they will be expensive for me to get copied, and even more expensive to view in person. Although I suspect they will yield the information I seek, I am hoping to learn more before committing to that expenditure.

  • Does the death cert state when and where the death was registered? If registration was in Sydney soon after Robert died, there may not have been sufficient time for Campbell to travel there from Melbourne after being informed of the death. In which case he was probably there already, or at least en route. – AndyW Jan 18 '18 at 11:40
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    @AndyW the registration was in Sydney - he died 18 Jan, buried 20 Jan and death registered 21 Jan - at height of summer so bringing body back to Adelaide would not have been an option. – PolyGeo Jan 18 '18 at 11:56
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    I just glanced at this question again and another thought occurred. I've seen some UK DCs with "Present at the death" written under the informant's name. Was noting the informant's presence (if stated) standard on Aus DCs of the time, and if so does the absence of the phrase hold any significance? – AndyW Aug 22 '18 at 11:43
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I think you may be making assumptions.

Your mother is right, people would not travel over 1,000 km back then for a holiday.

Sadly, wife beating was more or less the norm back then and may not have attracted any concern from other people, even in the family and women mostly got blamed for being beaten!

Are we sure the father and son were actually together in Sydney when Robert died?

Father and son may have gone to Sydney on an entirely unrelated matter.

There would have been no need for his son to have been with him at the death in order for him to register the event later.

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  • The only thing tying father and son together in Sydney (if not at the death) is this certificate. Robert was actually very adventurous - born Albany, New York, lived Panama/Colombia with his Scottish parents, orphaned young and went to sea, cycled 600km Adelaide to Melbourne in 1890s. – PolyGeo Jan 18 '18 at 12:00
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I don't think you can assume that Robert and Campbell were together.

According to victorianrailways.net, which has a 1905 rail timetable example, a typical Melbourne-Sydney journey was around 24 hours, starting at 6 am.

If Campbell were informed in Melbourne of Robert's hospitalisation on the 17th or death on the 18th, he could just about feasibly have travelled to Sydney in time for the funeral on the 20th and certainly in time to register the death on the 21st. So you can't assume that he was in Sydney already.

(Actually arranging the funeral is another matter, though. Campbell may not have had time for that if he 'rushed' over from Melbourne, so perhaps he was already there, or Elizabeth arranged it, or Lesley, or someone else. I'm not sure if any records of that would exist, but it might be worth a look.)

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  • Using your link I also found the 1905 Adelaide-Melbourne timetable (17 hours). I had originally been picturing Robert and Elizabeth travelling from Adelaide to Sydney direct but I think that route only became available much later. Now I am picturing Robert travelling from Adelaide to Melbourne, visiting his 23 yo son Campbell (who was single and appears to have been living there for about 3 years), and possibly his own Slight in-laws, before travelling with Campbell from Melbourne to Sydney. – PolyGeo Jan 19 '18 at 0:38

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