I'm researching German immigrants to the USA. Some of their records can be found in NARA's Access to Archival Databases, in this collection:

Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to the United States, created, ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting the period 1850 - 1897 - Collection CIR

Part of: Collection CIR: Records of the Center for Immigration Research

Function and Use: The Center for Immigration Research created this series to promote access to information about German immigrants to the United States. The information was extracted from ship passenger lists in the records of the U.S. Customs Service (NARA Record Group 36).

Scope & Content Note: This series consists of records of 4,048,907 passengers who arrived at the United States between 1850 through 1897; about 90 percent identified their country of origin or nationality as Germany or a "German" state, city, or region.

When I find results from this finding aid, I go to Ancestry or the Castle Garden site and try to access the original images there. Often the index at Ancestry is very different from the index generated by CIR.

I am trying to find alternate records, indexes, and images for this passenger manifest:

(manifest number) 36703 (ship) NECKAR (departure port) BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON (arrival date) 06/26/1882 [arriving port of New York]

Steve Morse's One-Step Web page for New York arrivals identifies the microfilm as follows:

(Series) M237 (Roll) 454 (Year) 1882 (Month) June (Day) 26 (Frame) 151 (ship) neckar (FHL roll) 1027024

Ancestry's database and images of the microfilm from NARA are published as Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line].

This voyage is too early for the Bremen Passenger Lists project sponsored by the Bremen Chamber of Commerce and the Bremen Staatsarchiv. The German passenger manifest of this voyage has probably been destroyed. Has anyone in Germany indexed the US copies of the passenger lists?

This voyage is also too early to be included in the Board of Trade records for outbound voyages (BT27), Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 at Find My Past. Do any outbound passenger lists exist for ships leaving the UK earlier than 1890?

It is not clear to me how much the index at CastleGarden.org differs from the databases at NARA, or how much NARA's databases differ from the CD-ROMs of Germans to America.

The FamilySearch Collection United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897 is described as follows:

Data files relating to the immigration of Germans to the United States for arrivals 1850-1897. Created by the Balch Institute for Ethnic Studies, Center for Immigration Research. In August of 2013, the National Archives replaced the ARC – Archival Research Catalog - with the OPA – Online Public Access. ARC identifiers will still work to access the collections in OPA.

This suggests it is the same data that was published by NARA. (see update about the OPA below the dividing line)

The book series Germans to America has known issues -- links to reviews are below:

I am indebted to GenWiki's page Germans to America for the links to the above reviews.

One of the volumes of Series II was reviewed by Giles R. Hoyt (Max Kade German-American Center, IUPUI) and spot-checks similar to those made by Prof. Dr. Holtmann and Michael Palmer revealed the same kind of errors.

Whatever the differences may be between NARA's online version and the book or CD-ROMs, it seems likely that the pitfalls may apply to all three -- which is why I was hoping for lists produced in England or Germany that might have been independently created and indexed.

For example, someone whose research subject left Hamburg in 1850 could consult Clifford Neal Smith's Reconstructed Passenger Lists for 1850: Hamburg to Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, and the United States, Parts 1, 2, 3, & 4:

Working from microfilm copies of the Hamburg police lists, Clifford Neal Smith has here reconstructed the identities of about 7,000 Hamburg passengers whose names were found among 60 separate lists for the year 1850. For each entry the compiler provides the following information: passenger's surname, given name, occupation, birthplace, and reference number from the police register.

The U.S. Customs Service records, which are the only surviving immigration records for the port of New York before 1892, have very limited information compared to the passenger lists from other ports (or from post-1892 New York arrival records).

Also, the handwriting on the extant customs list is not very good. If I could find any overlapping segment of the passenger list for this voyage, comparing them would help decipher the handwriting on the US Customs Service list.

As of 20 May 2015, the OPA (Online Public Access) at NARA has been replaced by a new catalog at http://www.archives.gov/research/catalog/ .

  • I have found other trips of the Neckar at the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild (ISTG) website but not this one. Ship description at The Ships List: Neckar 1873 but no passenger list information for this period.
    – Jan Murphy
    Commented Oct 22, 2014 at 2:46
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    The NARA database appears to related to the book series "Germans to America," published in several volumes and distributed on CDs for many years. Not sure if they are identical or if one is derivative of the other. Can also be searched at FamilySearch in collection "United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897" [familysearch.org/search/collection/2110801 ]
    – bgwiehle
    Commented Oct 22, 2014 at 13:16
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    Re: "I was hoping for lists produced in England..." Although the voyage you are focusing on stopped in Southampton, I would expect that only the passengers taken on there would be processed by English boarding personnel. Those already on board would not be re-processed (i.e. no duplicate pages in the passenger list). If you mean English indexes or transcripts, why would they focus on the German passengers of a ship transiting through Southampton?
    – bgwiehle
    Commented Oct 23, 2014 at 12:36
  • If I could find any overlapping segment of the passenger lists, it might provide clues to decipher the handwriting on the surviving pages of the New York list. The images are pretty rough.
    – Jan Murphy
    Commented Oct 23, 2014 at 16:40

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According to Wikipedia, SS Neckar was operated by Norddeutscher Lloyd (NDL). An arrival from 1882 means that the ship was the first S/S Neckar, not the later one launched in 1901. Wikipedia describes it like this:

SS Neckar (1874), in service 1874–1896; scrapped at Genoa, 1896

Norway Heritage gives a build date of 1873 for the Neckar. In their 1882 fleet list for NDL, the Authorisation & Routes entry says:

Via Fredrikshavn or Hamburg and Bremen to New York or Baltimore, and via Hull or London and Southampton to New York

The arrival of interest on 26 June 1882 probably corresponds to this entry from the schedule on the Norway Heritage site:

1882 Bremen June 11 New York June 24 (no remarks)

Trond Austheim's page Arrivals reported in Norwegian newspapers February 1882 also on Norway Heritage, says "Passenger list is usually dated 1 - 2 days after arrival".

Looking at US Newspapers on the website Genealogy Bank confirms this. The Neckar's arrival on the 24th is mentioned in the shipping news published in the Sunday, June 25, 1882 issue of the Evansville Courier and Press (Evansville, Indiana), page 1, and the Monday, June 26, 1882 issue of the Cincinnati Daily Gazette (Cincinnati, Ohio), page: 2.

According to the Friday, June 9, 1882 issue of the New York Herald (New York, New York), and an ad published in the same newspaper on Wednesday, June 14, 1882, the Neckar was scheduled to depart for Bremen on June 28th. This would seem to confirm Norway Heritage's information that the NDL ships sailed either to New York City or to Baltimore, and not Bremen to New York to Baltimore to Bremen. (Later articles in the New York Herald indicate that the Neckar returned to Bremen by way of Brussels.)

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    The SS Neckar was a Strassburg-class ship, German Wikipedia has more information on the class: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strassburg-Klasse
    – lejonet
    Commented Mar 13, 2016 at 21:52
  • Nice answer, Jan Murphy. Just a side question: do you know by chance if publishing lists of passenger in NYT newspapers was done already in 1859? I am looking for a Neumann who arrived on January 17th, 1859 from Bremen in Castle Garden.
    – Til Hund
    Commented Jan 3, 2021 at 21:12
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    @TilHund Most of the lists of passengers published in the newspapers that I know of are for Irish passengers -- the Genealogy Bank blog has posted on the topic several times. genealogybank.com/newsletter-archives/201503/… If you have access to Genealogy Bank or other collections of German-American newspapers, you could try looking in German-American newsapers to see if they did the same. Joe Beine's research guide has some info on book indexes but they may only be for the ship lists. germanroots.com/passengers.html
    – Jan Murphy
    Commented Jan 3, 2021 at 21:55
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    @TilHund Research Guide at the Library of Congress. Some of these are indexes to passengers in newspapers. loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/immigrant/lists.html
    – Jan Murphy
    Commented Jan 3, 2021 at 21:56
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    Thank you very much for this insightful additions, Jan Murphy. It is very much appreciated! I will look into this sources.
    – Til Hund
    Commented Jan 4, 2021 at 20:44

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